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Kay ([personal profile] sincere) wrote2007-12-19 10:10 am

A non-partisan anti-Xig/Dem criticism

Let me preface this by saying that I don't usually care what pairings you like. If you don't like my pairings, I do not feel obliged to convince you that they are made of awesome. If you like pairings that I don't like, I don't feel the need to tell you why your pairings suck. If I'm vehemently against it, I won't read it; if I trust your writing or I haven't developed an animosity yet, I might take a dip and see what it's like. But in the end I can sit over here with my opinions and hope that you have not-stupid reasons for having yours.

But when 1) you spew stupid related to a pairing I like in an icon post while I'm looking for icons, and 2) you are so vehemently against a pairing I like that you make anti-pairing icons, while 3) advocating again to the point of icon-making a pairing which is equally if not more improbable...
...I feel compelled to respond to the stupid.

But Kay, you might say, she doesn't like Xigbar/Demyx because she doesn't want Demyx to be raped. You can't be advocating rape, right?

What.

Okay, her series of anti-Xig/Dem icons, I don't care. Sure, make Xigbar a cartoonish villain lusting after poor Demyx's hot ass, I've seen it before. (Why do Zexion/Demyx and Luxord/Demyx etc people feel the need to bash Xigbar/Demyx? I don't get it. I've never seen the former two bash each other, only Xigbar/Demyx.)

But in the comments she says some things I just have to call out, like...

Random: awww why dont you like xigbar and demyx..?? i think they're cute :P
Her: >_<;;; because I don't like seeing Demyx get raped? plus the age thing...


First of all, a little age difference never hurt anyone. Xigbar is incredibly awesome, totally hot, and pretty obviously a hippie young at heart... dude.

But secondly, why is this pairing rape by necessity? People who DON'T like the pairing will sometimes write about it so that Demyx can go cry on [love interest of choice] but unless I missed the part in canon where Xigbar was revealed to be a rapist, I'm pretty sure those are demonizing portrayals and not indicative of "real" Xigbar/Demyx. As someone who roleplays Xigbar, I have never once considered him to be the kind of person who'd rape anyone. (He doesn't think people who are crying and terrified are sexy. Or even interesting. He's more likely to kill such a person than screw them.)

She adds...

Her: I'd rather see Demyx with someone who makes him happy... I just can't help but feel that xigbar's intentions towards Demyx are totally dishonorable.

So... you think he has intentions towards Demyx, but that they're evil?

And meanwhile, I love the flat assumption that Xigbar is incapable of making Demyx happy (which, itself, is something of an impossibility; Nobodies and all) but her OTP for Demyx is of course made of happy, even though Luxord exchanges zero words with Demyx in either KH2 or FM+. (As opposed to Xigbar's whole three sentences.)

Random: I can't understand the XigbarDemyx craze either XD It makes me go wtf in so many ways.
Her: I do not like my Demyx molested D:
Random: D: especially by a surfer pirate
Her: especially by a surfer pirate who totally has "Xaldin's Bitch" tattooed on his ass er... should be sexed up hard by Xaldin! er... ANYWAY XAL/XIG FOR THE WIN


Okay, so here's another thing I missed in canon: the moment when we saw Xigbar's naked ass and the tattoo that was on it. Since Xigbar and Xaldin had absolutely 100% zero interaction in KH2, and I don't think ever addressed each other directly in FM+, this seems like a pretty poor reason to go bashing other pairings with Xigbar.

What I don't understand is how someone who ships Xaldin/Xigbar so intensely can believe that Xigbar is lusting after someone else. He can't be that OTP with Xaldin if he wants Demyx, in my opinion. And I guess is a rapist when it's anyone but Xaldin, who he rolls over and exposes his metaphorical belly for.

Summary: Stop hating on other pairings solely because it interferes with your OTP of choice. That's not a good reason. It just makes you sound like you have no grasp of characterization beyond the surface cliches that make up



Xigbar/Demyx is a fantastic pairing. Xigbar is Number Two in the Organization and he is a ruthless badass who can fuck your shit up, but he's also carefree, nonchalant, and vaguely benevolent. The dialogue he exchanges with Roxas/Sora, like, awww, aren't you cute, with your ferocious little scowl, is made of awesome.

It also leads me to believe that he'd make a good pair with Demyx, who is the only other member of the Organization who is genuinely light-hearted. But the entire Organization holds him in contempt for being dumb only half-competent adorable, and Xigbar is the only one who voluntarily interacts with him, and he sounds amused when he does. I think Xigbar must be fond of him, and so in my head he's the person Demyx can turn to when he has observations or complaints, or when he's confused, as the only person who doesn't mean it when he mocks Demyx, and who (despite his position of power) isn't unapproachable.

Xaldin/Xigbar bores me. It strikes me as "unattractive people slash," like, Xaldin and Xigbar aren't cute or young enough to sex up other people, so they'll sex up each other, and then somehow people convinced themselves that it was OTP. Even before they became literal blood siblings in my head-canon, I just didn't see the appeal. Xaldin is so utterly disassociated from everything that I don't see why Xigbar would want to screw him, much less be his "bitch". (I'm sure Xaldin feels the same.)

Luxord/Demyx is kind of random. It's not bad: Luxord is one of the more laid-back members of OXIII, although still more proper and distant than Xigbar, and Demyx might be able to get along with him. I've read some porn of them, it's hot.

But not as hot as Xigbar/Demyx, which is my OTP for them.

But *GASP* I like both of them in other pairings too. I have a higher-functioning brain and am capable of having two ideas at the same time.

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why I refuse to ever play those games
The fandom is insane and drives me crazy even when I don't know the people they are talking about, imagine if I knew who these people were D:

[identity profile] maiki.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, this clearly shows how out of touch I am with the KH fandom despite being in it. XD; Anti-pairing icons now? Weird interpretations of Xigbar? What next, Nomura-hate icons? OTL (sorry, can't think of anything else)

I wonder if I'm one of the minority that likes both XigDem and ZexDem...

even though Luxord exchanges zero words with Demyx in either KH2 or FM+.
Unless you wanna count the novel, where the only words Luxord gave to Demyx were "Shut up." XD

[identity profile] alba-aulbath.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
It's refreshing to remember that I'm doing my best to avoid the KH fandom.

FOR THIS IS MADNESS

NO SPARTA JOKES WERE INCLUDED IN THE MAKING OF THIS COMMENT

[identity profile] maiki.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Not wanting to play the games just because of its fans doesn't sound like a good enough reason, though... ^_^; I mean, you could just play and enjoy the games but not bother looking at its fanworks, you know? At least that's what I'm sorta doing...
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
But the same thing can be said for all fandoms -- the "summary" is more an open note to all fandoms. I've heard people say "I HATE AIZEN/GIN BECAUSE IT'S RAPE AND GIN ALWAYS WINDS UP CRYING when he should be screwing Kira" and that is just not cool, no matter what the fandom, no matter what the situation. I like having reasons for things, and those reasons can't be "Because my OTP is different lol". XD

[identity profile] alba-aulbath.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Holy crap I'm in love with your icon. D:
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I was going to say the same thing. A lot of fandoms are scary -- like I find Avatar fandom terrifying -- but that doesn't stop me from watching Avatar. It just means I don't go playing in the fandom. ^_^ Avatar is good, even if the fans are crazy.

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish that were possible but every time I sign on to deviantart I get hit with them http://search.deviantart.com/?section=browse&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5&q=roxel
mpreg butt babies do not want D:
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I say more power to you for enjoying both of them. ♥ It's possible to be a fan of different pairings, but it seems like it's really difficult for a lot of people. You'd think they were literally married to certain pairings and liking one of those people in a different pairings is like cheating on their husband or something. D:

Rapist!Xigbar is not cool. :\ UNLESS HE'S WITH XALDIN LOLOLOL

XD Was that him? That's hilarious. I can see how Luxord would make Demyx happy.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)


I'm avoiding the fandom now mostly because it's flooded with all this stuff about Birth by Sleep, which we still know next to nothing about. I'm sure Terra/Ven will be an awesome pairing, you guys, I just want to wait until I know wtf is going on before I go reading fanfic, okay?

But I wanted Namine icons for an RP, and, sigh.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I am so incredibly not going to click on that link. D:

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I tend to not like pairings because they don't seem logical to me. EX: gin/hitsu doesn't work unless the characters are OOC because they hate each other. Same goes for characters that have only met once or twice, they don't even know each other how are they in love?
Idk, i don't like OOC pairings i like it if fandom stays true to the personalities of the characters, otherwise you're just basically using the name and the body of the character, in that case just go the whole way and make original characters of them you know?
I couldn't deal with KH for the over abundance of Mpreg butt babies.
I mean srsly whats wrong with adoption so bad you have to birth out your ass?

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
it's a dA search of "roxel"
roxas' and axel's butt baby
they seriously even cosplay for this
he has like the front of his hair blond and the back red o_O
naturally? wtf

[identity profile] syvia.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
*applauds your post*

I'm fond of a very, very wide variety of parings in KH. I don't dislike any. I may not search out specific parings, but there's nothing in the fandom that makes me go 'OMGKILLITWITHFIRE'.

Badly written parings though- yeah. DO NOT WANT. Anyone who assumes Xigbar would rape Demyx' cute little ass just because is not someone whose fic I trust to be enjoyable.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That's exactly what I think. I base my pairings off canon and logic: Gin/Hitsugaya fails for me because Hitsugaya wants to rip his throat out with his teeth, but Hitsugaya/Nanao would be intriguing because even though they have never interacted, logic tells me they might get along. *shrug*

To be 100% honest with you, I don't think I've ever seen KH mpreg. If I saw it on LJ, I just browsed past it without clicking.

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
never go on dA then
it has hit the front page popular section quite alot D:

[identity profile] maiki.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Word. Besides, it's not like every pairing needs to have smex in it. I like Mickey/Riku but in a platonic way, too. *gets weird looks by random passerbys in [livejournal.com profile] kay_willow's LJ* .... whut?

... Oh wait. *organizes memory a bit* Sorry, Luxord actually just ignored Demyx while Xig's the one telling him to be quiet. I guess we're back to zero for Luxord. XD:;

[identity profile] maiki.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL ROXEL XDDD Yeah, it's weird and I'm amused how many people seem to like the idea. I guess it IS hard for you to ignore the KH fandom if you frequent DA. XD;; But there's always the super ninja skill to grow immune to them!

[identity profile] katwalkchan.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
also i just noticed that the guy who invented roxel has shaolin showdown shota in his gallery
D:
D:
D""""""":
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I love KH pairings, and I don't believe in forming OTPs to the exclusion of other pairings: Sora/Namine is and always is my OTP for them, but I like Seifer/Namine and I like Sora/Riku etc etc. I shake your hand for being open-minded. XD

Bad writing can kill anything. >_> But on the converse side, really good writing can convince me of anything. I still maintain that if I ever found a writer I really enjoyed who wrote a pairing I dislike, I would read their stuff anyway. But the only occasion I've had where I found an intelligent, well-written person who wrote a pairing I don't care for while remaining IC was Cats in Boxes, and I unfortunately don't enjoy Luc Court's writing style, so... I guess I'll never know?

[identity profile] yashahime.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
.................

...wait, what?

Xigbar did WHAT now? When? Behind which barn? Are you SURE Demyx isn't trying to just get some money in court with this cry of rape?

My brain hurts verymuchbad.

(Also, Xaldin/Xigbar doesn't work for me, either, though in my case it seems to be because Xaldin is so much of a...nonentity in my head. Very stereotypical and boring just on his own, to me.)

[identity profile] charmwitch.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Riku totally sleeps with a Mickey doll. TRU FAX!!
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
She was watching this episode of Sally Jesse Raphael and it reminded her of them? I genuinely can't explain it.

Like Xigbar would need to resort to rape to get laid, amirite?

(I'm not a big fan of Xaldin, myself, for similar reasons.)

[identity profile] sorceressakemi.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Kay! I love your XigDem icon, it's completely made of awesome!

In other words, \m/
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-12-19 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That's what happened in FM+ too, IIRC, Luxord ignored him and Xigbar was the one who wound up talking to him. XD I feel like sometimes the other members of the Organization are like, "Sigh, Xigbar, will you do something about him? He's talking again."

Riku luvs Mickey. :D ZOMG WAIT YOU MEAN PEOPLE CAN CARE ABOUT PEOPLE THEY'RE NOT HAVING SEX WITH?!??! Blasphemy.

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