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Kay ([personal profile] sincere) wrote2007-06-24 02:32 am
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Xanatos for world dictator

TOTALLY RANDOM

We watched a lot of Gargoyles today and I just have to note that I find our protagonists to be adorably dumb. Yeah, Xanatos does some bad things to people, but the dystopian future that Goliath saw actually had absolutely nothing to do with Xanatos. It was Xanatos's evil AI crazy Lexington Puck's illusion designed to make Goliath fall into despair.

On the other hand, what we do know of Xanatos is that when Puck said to him, "You can have one wish from me, or a lifetime of service from Owen," Xanatos chose Owen.

That is not the decision of the kind of guy who is so short-sighted that he would own the world and run it into the ground without noticing or caring. Xanatos's one obsession has been immortality (and I guess owning the world) and when Puck offered it to him, Xanatos knew that in the long run, having a smart, competent, and powerful servant would be worth more than taking the quick and easy route to immortality.

Also probably he knew that Puck, being the Puck, is not one to grant wishes without strings attached, and it would not be the kind of immortality he'd like. But that only makes it better.

Xanatos is not the kind of guy who would let his dreams eclipse the practical things. He's already demonstrated that he doesn't.

He's awesome.

Also I've shipped Xanatos/Puck since I was like, 14.

[identity profile] alba-aulbath.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Xanatos/Owen! (or Puck whatever) FOR THE WIN.

Fox can come join too.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 05:01 pm (UTC)(link)
She can! She'd probably like to watch occasionally.

Owen/Puck is so awesome. I am temporarily possessed by the urge to write like three fics for him and his progress into awesome. And I did write a porn drabble for [livejournal.com profile] pornandkittens last night. It was timely.

[identity profile] hauntedreality.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
What got you into Gargoyles all the sudden? Or is this a renewed interest? I loooooooooooved Gargoyles when it was on. It was way before I was involved with any fandom though. I used to draw new gargoyles a lot. I wonder if I have any of those pics anymore.

Did you ever see the Goliath Cronicles? Those were pretty terrible. I was sad when it was all over though.

I loooooooooooooooved how many Star Trek people did voices on that show. Heh.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm actually planning on using Gargoyles in an RP I'm doing, so we've been watching it bit by bit. Xanatos is awesome. I was never involved in any fandom, but I must've been old enough to recognize slash when I saw it. XD

Goliath Chronicles was done after like, most of the cast of Gargoyles had moved on, so it was entirely new writers, animators, etc. The creators consider it "non-canon." Which is good, because evidently it was laaaame. XD Although I guess there's a new comic book series being released concurrently, that picks up after the last "canon" episode.

[identity profile] hauntedreality.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Xanatos was definitely love. So was Puck/Owen and Desmonia and maybe Fox too and MacBeth...Let's go villians for the win?

Good, I only saw some of the Goliath Chronicles, but it felt like bad fanfic.

And who were you slashing?
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Xanatos and Owen/Puck. I was a geek. Fox has love too though. Everyone was kind of awesome. XD

[identity profile] gatafairy.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 03:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I loved Xanatos for picking Owen. Owen with the stone hand. Which makes me wonder whether or not the immortality Puck had in mind was, perhaps, making a sculpture of him.

That moment gave me warmfuzzies. I love Gargoyles. XD
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the stone hand incident actually happened in the show -- like, Xanatos was all, "Smells like immortality!" and Owen was like, "I don't think you want to do that, sir," and to demonstrate he stuck his hand into the vat and it was all stone and Xanatos was like, oh. Nah, never mind.

But seriously, it's so awesome. XD

[identity profile] terrykun.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Gargoyles!Puck also drew some of his awesomness from the power of Brent Spiner. :D

Regarding the 'strings', remember that Puck chose to go to Xanatos (and Fox) because he was impressed by them. The 'string' of this particular wish option was probably in the way he approached him itself. He may have thought that by forcing Xanatos to either lose Owen or the Puck-wish/immortality he might end up depressed afterwards.I mean, what's eternity without someone to keep your shit in order?

Compare to Demona, who we can certainly tell Pucky wasn't too fond of. :P

I actually just got re-obsessed with this series recently, and have been desperately pimping it to Amanda, who has only seen one episode of Goliath Chronicles. :P

The comic that just stated running is full of awesome. Also Illuminati.

Greg Weisman, the original series creator (that got terminated upon the move to ABC for Goliath Chronicles) and commander-in-chief of the comic, has stated that the only episode from GC that is considered canonical for the purposes of the comic is "The Journey".
That means the clones are still alive! :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargoyles_%28SLG_comic%29
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You make an excellent point, the bargain itself was a cruel little stab. But I also think that Puck would have been disappointed if Xanatos had picked the easy way out, and possibly been tricksy on his end out of spite. The fact that Xanatos did pick a lifetime of service over his dream obviously caught Puck off-guard, though -- one way or another, he was expecting the human to take the easy way out -- so it was a choice that only made him admire Xanatos all the more.

For some reason the Weird Sisters also seem to hate Puck. Like, a lot. No idea why.

I read that it was awesome, and I'm thinking about picking it up. X3

[identity profile] terrykun.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
David Xanatos does not get depressed, he gets inspired. I'm sure it only took him half a second to process that good help is hard to come by, and after he secured some other route to immortality (and of course he WOULD, because he's The Goddamn Xanatos) then he could get an ETERNAL lifetime of service from Owen. (:

Daddy loved Puck best, that's why.
Probably because Puck seems to have a genuine respect for the mortal races' capacity for unpredictability and growth. The Sisters, and much of the Third Race in general, seem to view humans more as tools or amusements at best.

More interesting Oberon definition (pertaining to the Gargoyles version) here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberon's_children#Oberon

[identity profile] jade-fragment.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
OMFG GARGOYLES~~~~~~ I ♥ that show like no other. I think someday I want to cosplay Puck XD XD XD;

Brooklyn was always my favorite~

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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Gargoyles is awesome. ♥

I probably had a thing for Xanatos, he was so awesome. But Brooklyn was my favorite of the gargoyles, no contest.

[identity profile] sakusha.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Gargoyles wins. But how did you get a hold of the second half of season 2? I thought they'd only released the first half.

Xanatos is awesome and so practical. I loved his proposal to Fox. I have to say I never really liked Owen/Xanatos, mostly because he and Fox were so awesome together. But Owen as a character is fantastic.

[identity profile] sakusha.livejournal.com 2007-06-24 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, the comic is really fun. They have at least 3 issues out. :3 OH and buy the DVDs if you haven't already so they can release the second half of season two~! ;^;