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Kay ([personal profile] sincere) wrote2008-01-04 11:58 pm

Game meme

I fail so hard at porn it is astonishing. I have over 900 words on this thing and they both mostly still have clothes on and they both still have things they want to say.

Instead of writing more of it, I yank a meme from [livejournal.com profile] unite.


GAME ★ Tales of the Abyss
GEN CHARACTER ★ ...Guy. I lovelovelove his backstory, his trauma, his grudge, his revenge... and what a nice, normal, smart guy he is. Also, any game that has the major villain pledging fealty to your main character's manservant can stay.
MALE CHARACTER ★ Uh, let's say Luke. I love his being an unrepentant spoiled brat, reforming and evolving, and become a better person. Also, Luke is seven years old. This game made so much more sense when I realized it. You know it to be true.
FEMALE CHARACTER ★ It's hard to pick between Natalia and Anise, ack. Lemme say Natalia. She's exactly what I want out of my princesses -- not a coward, not speshul, devoted to her people, and actually interested in her personal life. Also bossy and scary but never on purpose. She also lets me take Tear out of my party. ♥
VILLIAN ★ Asch~~~ zomg. The tragedy of him owns my soul (not to mention his copious personal issues). I am obsessing over him a little.
NPC ★ ...Ion. He's a goddamn carebear, I want to squish him, and Luke actually treats him like a human being pre-haircut, that never happens.

HET PAIRING ★ Asch/Natalia. :3 Awkward childhood love connection ftw. (I will refrain from squealing over them further.) I'll also go for Luke/Natalia, Jade/Natalia, Jade/Anise, Dist/Anise, Ion/Anise. Van/Legretta interests me but I need to see it more.
F/F PAIRING ? None I can consciously recall, and since I avoid one of the few of-age females... Um, Natalia/Anise? When she grows up Anise will realize that men aren't the only ones who can be rich, and then she'll be all over that.
M/M PAIRING ★ Grooving on the Guy/Asch right now. Also Jade/Peony, Guy/Luke, Luke/Ion can stay.
OT3 ? I'm still trying to talk myself into or out of Guy/Asch/Natalia.
OT4 ★ No.
OT6 ? I deny your existence.

HATE ★ Tear. Also, the goddamn world map. Stop failing.
FANDOM ★ Uh, I'm only just dipping my feet in this fandom. It doesn't give me enough of the Asch pairings I want. :( Too much Asch/Luke, not enough everything else.
WRITE ★ Haha I've written like three incidences of failporn for the anonmeme. >_> So far.
DRAW ★ Nevar.
GRAPHICS ? Nevar.
LIVEJOURNAL ★ Uh, I talk about it on LJ, I'm not a member of communities, and I apped Asch in a crack, unfortunately RP. That is my LJ activities re: TotA.


GAME ★ Kingdom Hearts
GEN CHARACTER ★ Roxas. He is so tragic -- real in his own right damnit, real and genuine and badass, and the one everyone wanted. They tore him apart and put him back together and then tore him apart again and then Sora ate him. So unfair. ;_; He deserved better. Well, he's a giant plot point in like the next two games, so, uh, maybe there'll be some 'better' in there.
MALE CHARACTER ★ Uh, Roxas is taken. Well, I like Sora. :D Especially in CoM, where he finally had issues to deal with that were more complex than "I want to save my friends!!" The way he tried to deal with Namine's betrayal, never turning his back on her, and the struggle between what he should do and what he had to do... It caught me.
FEMALE CHARACTER ★ Namine. God, I like the tragic ones, don't I? Anyway, she was so quiet and fatalistic and resigned but dynamic, she never got better and her life never stopped sucking but she still changed recognizably, it was fascinating.
VILLIAN ★ This is hard. CoM had such great villains in particular, I want to say "all of them". I'm going to pick Xigbar anyway because he's such a fascinating character, still unexplored -- he's quirky and amusing and fun and fucking dangerous. I particularly love the conversation he had with Zexion in FM+, where he asked a question he didn't want answered and bit off Zexion's response and then stares at him for a long, silent time until Zexion backs down and avoids answering. He's hardcore, man. And he's in charge, when he feels like being in charge.
NPC ★ Mickey goddamn Mouse. Respect.

HET PAIRING ★ Sora/Namine A+++. Marluxia/Larxene and Leon/Aerith. Larxene/anyone as long as it's evil.
F/F PAIRING ? Kairi/Olette. ♥ I'd also like either Yuffie/Kairi or Yuffie/Namine.
M/M PAIRING ★ Axel/Roxas~ Everyone's heard those reasons before. I also love Xigbar/Demyx. Also Axel/anyone as long as it's evil, and Marluxia/anyone as long as it's evil.
OT3 ? SoRiNami. --What?
OT4 ★ Never.
OT6 ? This question was transparently made for this game. Sora/Riku/Kairi/Axel/Roxas/Namine can die.

HATE ★ Like 75% of Demyx pairings. Roxas/Namine. How cool it is for the fandom to bash and sneer at Axel/Roxas, which is about two steps removed from canon, come on.
FANDOM ★ I was in it for a long while, and now I've moved to the fringes. All I do is poke at AS and live in my happy imagination land.
WRITE ★ Oh lord yeah.
DRAW ★ Never.
GRAPHICS ? Never.
LIVEJOURNAL ★ Still a member of some comms, started a comm; roleplayed Axel and Namine, among [many] others; still updating Another Side discreetly.


GAME ★ FFXII + Revenant Wings
GEN CHARACTER ★ ...hard to say. Well, since I know what my answers for the next two will be, I think I'll say Larsa. He was so composed and clever and dignified, and he always made any scene he featured in. I loved his connection to Penelo.
MALE CHARACTER ★ Balthier. He's the leading man in his own head, and he lives like it. I also love his voice and the way he talks, prr.
FEMALE CHARACTER ★ Fran. I wasn't interested in the viera or in her until I actually saw her in action, but she is so incredibly hot, and mystic, and also sad. She's an interesting balance of things.
VILLIAN ★ Dr. Cid. He was so goddamn crazy, and kind of totally hot about it -- he was so grand and impassioned! And I loved all his conversations and issues with Balthier. If the game had ended at the Cataract it probably would've been a better game.
NPC ★ Reddas. Despite his terrifying pink pants, he was awesome. Al-Cid is a good runner-up, though.

HET PAIRING ★ Balthier/Fran. It's canon. I also like Al-Cid/Ashe and Basch/Ashe. Vaan/Penelo is also turning up nicely. One-sided I'm grooving on Tomaj->Fran, Larsa->Penelo, and Ashe->Balthier as well.
F/F PAIRING ? ...Fran/Penelo can stay, after Penelo's starry-eyed interrogation of her in RW. And I'll take Ashe/Penelo thanks to the Al-Cid/Ashe fic I'm writing, ironically.
M/M PAIRING ★ Tomaj/Ba'Gamnan. Suck it. (I seriously can't think of any other slash pairings I like in FFXII.)
OT3 ? ...Vaan/Penelo/Llyud? No.
OT4 ★ No.
OT6 ? Die in a fire.

HATE ★ People who think Balthier/Ashe is canon, and because they are so prolific, Balthier/Ashe. Also, Filo.
FANDOM ★ I'm a little scared of it, because... everyone seemed to think Balthier/Ashe was canon. I flirted with it briefly while looking for Balthier/Fran and found very little I wanted to find.
WRITE ★ I'm writing an Al-Cid/Ashe fic. :D That's pretty much it -- the game wrapped things up nicely for me, so I never felt the need to fic for it. Oh, and once I wrote a Balthier/Fran tinydrabble for [livejournal.com profile] pornandkittens.
DRAW ★ Never.
GRAPHICS ? Never.
LIVEJOURNAL ★ Write about it on my LJ occasionally.

I need to play more FFXII:RW. I'm in chapter 7 now, I think, and I've lost all hope of getting the "alternate" ending. (But I bookmarked it on Youtube, so when I'm done, I'll be able to just go there and find it, mwahaha.

[identity profile] unite.livejournal.com 2008-01-05 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
oh porn. I always am like, HAHA. I WILL WRITE PORN NAO. but then it turns into 'oh these characters are having a conversation I want to explore... drabble time!'

Porn works better with RP for me. ahahaha hi person I've only spoken with twice let me talk to you about smut.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-05 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
*shifty eyes*

Nah, I'm the same way. I can't write porn because my writing keeps wanting to talk about things, but I can roleplay it just fine. Ironic but true, since my fandoms need more porn.

Your icon reminds me to find the latest Avatar episode. *does so*

[identity profile] maladaptive.livejournal.com 2008-01-05 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Alternate ending? :(

*waves little Tomaj/Ba'Gamnan flag*

...Oddly, that's the only slash pairing I like, too. I hadn't even thought about it until now, but it is! That game is oddly much more supportive of lesbian pairings.

And so agreed on "if the game ended in the cataract." Cid made a much better final boss than Vayne, who always sounded like he was reading off the script, and Cid was all I AM DRAMATIC, INSANE, AND WELL-SPOKEN! That man was made for all caps.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-05 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
If you get a 100% and complete every side-mission (and possibly also defeat the game at level 99) then you get a different/modified ending. But if you don't complete certain side-quests before going into, I think, episode 6-4, then you lose them forever. I think that I missed one of the three. :\ Although I haven't gotten out of the mess in chapter 7 to check yet.

Fandom is into Basch/Balthier and Balthier/Vaan, but I can't do either of those pairings. Basch and Balthier are even less pairingy than Asch and Balthier, they don't have any significant interactions that I recall; Balthier and Vaan are more likely but less appealing to me. Bleh. Besides, Balthier/Fran is still canon.

All the real dramatic stuff happened at the Cataract. Ashe faced down the aliens and the memory of Rasler that she had been clinging to; they destroyed the Sun-Cryst at the expense of Reddas's life; they faced down the egomaniacal Dr. Cid and there was a significant father/son conversation; Balthier carried Fran off into the sunset (literally)... Everyone should have high-fived and the plot should have resolved itself politically. (The only change I'd have enacted would be Gabranth doing something instead of skulking off at Dr. Cid's command.)

But no, Vayne went and ruined everything by... like... combining with Venat or something and becoming a demigod or something... and then he went stomping around on his airship and we had to kill him in a way which didn't really resolve anything better than my imaginary CGI ending.

My imaginary CGI ending: we race from the Cataract to the aerial battle, won when Larsa gets on the intercom and tells everyone that his brother is batshit insane, and that Vayne is hereby under arrest for the murder of their father, so everyone stand down your weapons because Larsa wants a goddamn truce with the country that the pretty girl is from. We can mimic the kamikaze thing Vayne almost pulled, sadly losing Balthier and Fran's heroics inside the falling ship, but keeping Zagrafdjgdl's attempt at martyrdom, before one of the crew on Vayne's ship knocks him out and saves the day the way Prince Larsa wanted. In fact, maybe it's Gabranth and he doesn't need to have more heroics at the Cataract. Also doesn't need to die.

(This has the added benefit of eliminating an awkward Ashe->Balthier moment that confused fans into thinking Balthier/Ashe was somehow canon.)
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-05 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
*adds* I might've gone for Basch/Vaan, but they stopped having real interactions pretty early on. Vossler/Basch can also stay, a little.

[identity profile] hauntedreality.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Hehe, porn can be hard. I mean....I can definitely do it, but it is hard to integrate it into something more meaningful for me. I'm kind of like PORN TIME or not porn time. Heh.

tl;dr about ToA characters

[identity profile] ccmars.livejournal.com 2008-01-07 08:19 am (UTC)(link)
Um, hello! Don't mind me; I'm just a random passerby who talked with you a little about Abyss on [livejournal.com profile] fandomsecrets and liked what you had to say. ^^

~+~

Your reason for liking Natalia is the same as mine. She became my favorite character in the game, even more so than Guy (whom I also love to death, but who doesn't? XD ). She could have easily been your average cliche bitchy princess--and she almost started out that way--but in the end she blew away all of my expectations. Also agreed on Tear.

Luke...I admit as refreshing as his character is, I couldn't stand him at first. Eventually he grew on me to the point where I wanted to slap certain other characters for their treatment of him; ironic considering my resentment towards his long-haired version. It probably doesn't help he reminds me of myself in almost every way...

I think I'm the only one in the world who despises Asch. I realize he's a "deep" character and I felt sorry for him, but that doesn't mean I think he's the greatest character since fiction began. I think this is also where my warmth towards Luke comes in. As understandable as his resentment towards Luke was, Asch was being such a dick to him that I wanted to kick him in the head every time he came on screen. By the time he died, I could only feel pity for him while hoping he stayed dead at the same time. I know it's mean and I'm sure his fangirls would mutilate me if I said so in front of them, but I'm just unable to like him.
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Re: tl;dr about ToA characters

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-08 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
Hi! I'm always glad to talk game. :3

Just to elaborate: I didn't care much for Asch on my first playthrough, to be honest with you, but he's grown on me extraordinarily in my time away from the game, and now that I'm playing through a second time I'm kind of obsessing. It's not because he's Dark and Emo, but because of what I saw in his past, because of what he could've been -- because I fell in love with the idea of the little boy I got from Natalia, the serious, insightful boy who wanted to fix his country and taught her how to be a good ruler. And it was all stolen from him, and he grew up bitter, filled with this -- sense of inferiority to his own clone, this sense of becoming more and more unworthy of his own life.

I don't in any way condone his being mean to Luke; in fact, half the reason I hate Tear is because she's so mean to Luke, and so much for the alleged love interest. But I understand why he's mean to Luke, and my heart bleeds for him even while I feel bad for Luke, who is such an endearing child by the time he's interacting extensively with Asch that it feels like Asch is kicking a puppy.

Cathy the engineer said, "He reminds me of Iemon when he was that age; I think he must be very lonely and shy." I love him because of that twisted potential. So while I totally understand why you wouldn't like him (for better reasons than me, I disliked him on my first playthrough BECAUSE I knew all the fangirls liked him) I now think the what-could-have-been with Asch is compelling, and the regret and heartache he must feel, so I overlook the bitchery.

♥ Sorry if I got ranty at you. I support your opinion, really, I just like explaining mine.

Re: tl;dr about ToA characters

[identity profile] ccmars.livejournal.com 2008-01-08 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Not at all. I like talking about these things. :)

I was thinking about this last week, and I came to realize the reason I hated Luke, still hate Asch and why I'm so reluctant to start another game is because it struck a personal chord with me. There are games and shows with characters that have done so, but in the case of Luke and Asch they struck chords that were way too personal. Luke got both bad (especially pre-haircut) and good ones, but Asch struck bad left, right, front, back and center. Luke reminded me so much of myself, but Asch reminded me of people I personally knew whom I would rather not think about. It was because of that his bad points completely overshadowed his good points for me.

So I understand what you're saying, and I agree Asch had every right to be angry with Luke (even if for the most part what happened to him was technically not Luke's fault). I'm just strange, I guess. XD
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Re: tl;dr about ToA characters

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't say that's strange~ There's lots of good reasons to like or dislike characters, and personal experience with similar situations or people? WAY better a reason than "He's pretty and I can make him have sex with other pretty boys!" I'm always looking at characters from a writer's perspective, so as a subject of writing Asch is a gold mine, but I definitely wouldn't want to hang out with him, so I'm sympathetic too. XD

Re: tl;dr about ToA characters

[identity profile] ccmars.livejournal.com 2008-01-11 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Ha ha, that is true now that you say it like that. Thanks for understanding.

I'm the same way with certain characters that I like. I adore them sometimes to the point of fangirling them (just to clarify, I'm not that bad :P ), but I would never want to hang out with them in real life. *smile*

I love you

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 01:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You know I was actually beginning to think I was the only Sora/Namine fan Out there? Outside from a few friends of mine, I've yet to come across anyone who could stand heterosexual couples in Kingdom hearts but liked this. They were all blind Kairi worshipers who dissed CoM's SoNamie vibes so badly ;_;
They agreed to accept it only for the whole 'it's basing SoKai at the end' issue, but... I say, if they needed to create another couple just so they could say SoKai existed in a believable way, they fail ._.;
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I'm glad!

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
It's true that Namine based herself off of Kairi in his memories, but I don't think that was the end of it -- definitely not on her part. Plus, she added in memories that weren't there, and those were the foundation for his obsession with her. Sora never felt those things for Kairi (and if he did feel them for Kairi, that would make that the most unhealthy relationship ever -- he was literally obsessed with Namine while he was brainwashed) and even knowing that Namine was a stranger, that it was all a lie, he didn't want to let go, he was looking out for her.

Kairi is an okay character, I don't dislike her. In fact, I like some pairings with her quite a bit! But Sora/Kairi has never even been a fraction as interesting and sweet as Sora/Namine managed to be in CoM. :\

Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
There's one thing that's keeping me from believing Namine took Kairi's place in Sora's memories.
He said - and I quote -
"There was /another/ girl".
Sora, Riku, Kairi and Namine. That list of people fits in nicely with what you said that's true - the memories we see of Namine that Kairi could never fit into (she's not the type to cry over the meteor shower). Throw in my firm belief Sora believes in Riku/Kairi (Tidus Selphie and Wakka yapper on and on about it indefinitely back on Destiny Islands with Riku as the Almighty God of the Realm and Kairi the Unreachable Princess, and Riku doesn't help much to prove otherwise with all his flirtings about Kairi and the Paopu) and you'll see that Namine being in Sora's childhood memories doesn't contradict anything - RiKai, SoNami.
One other thing that bugs me about that is that we don't get to see any of Sora's childhood memories with Kairi save for when they're in the secret place, but when you realize it was his and /Riku's/ secret place, you kind of have to be mad for Sora. It still doesn't show much save for the Keyblade Master's inevitable infatuation with the Princess of Heart.

(...I'm... so sorry I'm ranting. I'm in auto mode since I'm putting on a lecture in an upcoming convention... and that lecture's point can be summed up to "SoNami exists. SoKai doesn't" ._.; even though it's wider but that's one important part of it)

Kairi was ok in KH1. A clueless tomboy with little connection to reality (she said Riku could take care of himself even after Hollow Bastion o.o; ) but she didn't bug me too much.
Then came CoM and showed me how a romantic relationship for Sora was supposed to be and SoKai began annoying me XD;
oddly enough I support RokuKai XD;;;
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Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
(The reason Kairi could never fit into that memory is because Sora hadn't met her yet. XD The meteor shower happened the night that Kairi came to the islands, so she couldn't possibly have been there. That memory was 100% Namine's creation.)

Well, my impression is that the brainwashing is slow, so that at first he thought there was another girl, and later she took Kairi's place in his memories -- because he did forget about Kairi. But at the same time, you might be right: he was also forgetting about a lot of other things (e.g. becoming Heartless in Hollow Bastion) due to Namine's manipulation, and it may not have been "Kairi -> Namine" as much as just "forgetting Kairi coincidentally, remembering Namine". We have no proof either way, but your position is reinforced because A) the things Sora especially "remembers" about Namine are the things that are most different than Kairi's personality, and B) Sora makes a big deal of his relationship with Namine in a way he didn't with Kairi, e.g. "So we weren't ever really friends? And... we weren't anything more than friends?" But he was never more than friends with Kairi, so that's purely Namine's influence.

I agree completely about Sora and Riku at crosshairs -- Riku (to me) seemed to be pushing Sora at Kairi, but Sora seemed to think that Riku was the one interested in Kairi. So for him, it wasn't really about Namine replacing Kairi, but rather it was the new memories that compelled him -- she was a quiet girl, a mature girl, she drew pictures of them, she needed someone to protect her, and Sora wanted to be that someone.

I like Roxas/Kairi! I think she's better for him than for Sora. X3 Unlike Namine, who would just drag him down. I think it'd be cuuute, even though I like Axel/Roxas best.

Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I know Kairi wasn't there yet XD; I was talking generally. /Had/ there been a Meteor Shower with Kairi already there, it would've been entirely different than how it went with Namine. That's what I meant.

Hum. I don't remember (XD; ) him saying anything about them being more than friends. The promise at the end of the game says they promise to be /friends/ for real when he wakes up, so it doesn't really seem odd to me.
As for forgetting, forget (I hate puns) becoming a Heartless - it took him so much to remember /Riku/ in Destiny Islands, and the only real thing he remembered about him was Repliku whom he met in the castle.
And we all saw how far Sora was willing to go through for Riku in KH2.
My point? Kairi's not special for being forgotten. It only makes sense they'll make a deal about her not showing up even on Destiny Island because Namine's a firm believer in SoKai thanks to Marluxia convincing her replacing Kairi's the only way to get into Sora's heart.

As for Roxas/Kairi... I'll be blunt. Kairi in KH2 is painfully self centered (I promise I'll be nice as far as phrasing goes, it's just my honest opinion of her). She's self centered in the way opposite to Roxas, though. Roxas wants everyone to pay attention to him and help him and take care of him. Kairi sort of wants to be worshipped, to be appreciated. She'd take care of Roxas and pay him all the attention he could ever want (like she does Sora only Sora seems less than interested XD; ), and he in return would worship the ground she steps on, making her happy back.
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Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Namine: It was all a lie. Sora never promised me anything. Me being on the islands — that was a lie, too. This is our first meeting. I was never Sora's friend...

Sora: You were never anything...more than that, either...

Namine: I'm sorry. In your true memories, I was never there.


That's the line, which clearly indicates that Sora thought she was more than a friend.

I don't actually know if Sora ever forgot Riku, though. In the first place, it was clearly less of a "forgetting" and more of a haziness -- the things Sora forgot about never came back to him. Once they forgot about Hollow Bastion, that was it, it had stopped existing for him, they never remembered the name and shortly forgot they had ever been concerned about it; when he met up with Beast in the fake HB, he didn't remember him or them. But when Sora met Riku in the fake Destiny Islands, he recognized him immediately, and also recognized that this Riku was different than the Riku he'd met in the castle; he said, "This must be the Riku from my memories," which clearly indicates that he remembers Riku.

I'm just sort of arguing the canon here, it's not like I want to disprove your point. Sora/Kairi is so bland.

I never got that impression from Roxas -- if anything, I always got the impression that he wanted people to leave him the hell alone, not take care of him -- but that is exactly why I think Roxas and Kairi would make a good pair. She would treat him like he was special, and focus all of her attention on him, and never doubt him, and that would make Roxas feel... real. Which he definitely needs more of. XD

Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
...well, that's just as swell, I guess, but makes sense. He outright declared Namine was more than a friend to him since one of the reasons he hated Larxene was that Namine was too special for Larxene to be the one who made him remember.
He says Riku's his best friend in KH2, but Kairi never gets anything like that. Even Sora realizing Namine isn't the most important person to him -
A) He hardly acted on it later when he was ready to sacrifice his memories for Namine, even after knowing it was all fake.
B) I know this is such a conspiracy theory, but it's possible - that Namine made him believe Kairi was more important by managing somehow to create a link to Sora's memories of Kairi. Like you said, he never managed to remember anything about anything, but could still somehow see Kairi in Destiny Islands, as well as have the charm change back. Kind of impossible unless Namine herself had a hand in it.


he said, "This must be the Riku from my memories," which clearly indicates that he remembers Riku.

- Or, that he remembers Riku from the castle as opposed to Riku from the Memories. And when he sees this Riku is different and doesn't wanna slam his head against the wall and have Namine all to himself (on the contrary, he seemed rather supportive of SoNami), Sora realizes this must've been another Riku. He didn't remember Tidus, Wakka and Selphie either, but "played" along since they were parts of Memories he couldn't really reach. Riku, however, had a "point of reference" through his replica.


It's ok, I don't mind. It's good practice for the lecture I need to put up. How'm I faring so far? XD

Well, depends which Roxas we're talking about. The Organization's Roxas really wanted distance from everyone, which shows also in him leaving the only place he could somehow belong in. Roxas from Twilight Town, however, kept trying to keep everyone's attention at him in rather desperate ways. When the subject of the free study came up, he said - "Let's study all the things that have been happening to me!"
A good idea, indeed, but still self centered. Also see how much he's chasing the gang after they thought he ditched them for Seifer, Fuu and Rai.
And then came the part they couldn't see him and he had no choice left but to go to the mansion and disappear.
...guess we kind of proved each other's point. Roxas'd cling desperately to anyone who'd give him the time of day, be it Kairi with her ability to shower a person with love and attention to unwanted levels, or Hayner, Pence and Olette who made a full, inseparable foursome with him.
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Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
You make an excellent point about Riku -- it's totally possible that that's why he said that. I'd want to go back and look at Re:CoM's dialogue to see for myself, but as per the English translation, your explanation also makes sense.

You're doing great! :3 Although I am now totally diverting the subject from Sora/Namine.

I don't know, I-- don't really think that indicates that he wants attention. XD I mean, if he'd done it on Day 1, that would be pretty damn self-centered, but by Day 5, after all that he's been through, of course it's impossible for him to just go, "Lalala, let's do homework~ I'm totally interested in stairs that count differently going up and down~" That stuff hardly seems real to him after last night he fell off a tower and heard voices in his head and then woke up the next morning and no one remembered. XD

I think he does bring it up because he wants them to acknowledge that something is happening to him -- because so far they've all been ignoring it. He's almost died, time has frozen, aliens have been attacking him, and whenever he brings it up or seems disoriented they just glance the other way. Roxas must feel like he's going totally crazy. Even if they said, "Yeah, you've been weird lately," he would at least feel like it wasn't just inside his head. I don't think it makes him selfish to want validation that the impossible things happening to him have in fact happened to him.

And of course he's chasing his friends down -- he couldn't just let them walk off. If my friends thought I'd ditched our plans together to hang out with Ron Paul, and they were pissed off, I'd want to rush over and reassure them, and I hope that doesn't make me selfish or attention-seeking.

I disagree like 110% about it being selfish behavior, but in the end, the result is the same: Kairi would be a rock in his extremely unstable world. XD

Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, see? I only played the gameboy version >: mostly because I heard a crazy rumor the FM+ and Re:CoM would get released fully in English. I live a hopeless dream XD; but that's what I'm basing on, and as far as I've seen Kingdom's translation is great (other than one thing that killed me when they changed Memories Past into Oblivion and killed the Keyblade based on Riku =_=; )

It's ok, I think we reached the conclusion we both adore the couple and can live together in harmony over it XD can I befriend you now? :3


*shrugs* regardless of him being selfish or not, I guess that's also part of us only getting to see that side of him... or so many sides in such a short amount of time it's hard to base a steady view of the character. He was cute when they told him everyone were gonna help out though :3
And of course Kairi'd be the rock. She's ironically one of the most normal characters in the game because Sora keeps leaving her behind XD; (I could rant more about SoNami vs. SoKai in the matter if you'd like XD; )
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Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Kingdom Hearts has been pretty faithful in translation. The only problem I found in their translation was that they totally did not understand the driving symbolism of the Roxas/Sora duel -- they translated Roxas's question as "Why did he choose you?!" leading many people to speculate who he was: DiZ? Riku? And miss the real point.

Just a tiny word made the difference. "Why did it choose you?" -- the same question that made him leave the Organization. Why did the keyblade choose him. He never did get that answer, but during the duel, he does understand why the keyblade chose Sora. I elaborate more over here, if you're interested. (http://kay-willow.livejournal.com/158749.html)

You certainly may! ♥

Re: I'm glad!

[identity profile] divineduckling.livejournal.com 2008-02-06 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
...yeah, I just played through that a few days ago and was confuzled XD; I actually thought he was referring to Axel over the half confession that Sora made him feel the same way as Roxas did XD; so he was jealous.
But that's just me *whistles innocently*

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