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Tales of the Abyss and Bleach revelations

Tales of:
Okay, now I'm intrigued. The new Tales of the Abyss manga is going to be essentially Jade's life, and it may be written by (or at least with approval from) "Takumi Miyajima, the main writer of [the] game and others in the "Tales of" franchise."

Now, I really had a problem with the Peony sidestory manga. I had a problem with it because it made Peony look like a dick and actively contradicted some things in canon, plus in the end it didn't seem like the same Peony/Nephry relationship I understood to be canon. The same applied to some of the other sidestory manga, even the ones I liked. (Anise and Asch's were neat.)

But if this is written by the game's writer -- then I'm holding my breath a little. This is the man who made me love Jade, and Peony, and Dist in the first place, and I would be really happy to see him writing them in their childhood in Keterburg, a time period that's so very deeply charged and puts the entire game into motion, and afterwards, during the big blank of time when Jade obsessed over replicas, and how Peony talked him out of his crazy.

So, a tentative "do want".

Bleach:
Holy shit the new chapter of Bleach. (Er, warning, spoilers for the new chapter ahead) It gives Ichigo/Orihime almost too much power. Even this wild, even this barely-in-control, even this animalistic, he's driven to protect her. Would he have done it for another friend? Maybe. But the fact that he fucking stabs Ishida this chapter reeeeally makes me doubt it. In hazymonstervision, to cop a term, he only recognizes Orihime. Ishida doesn't make a dent in his awareness, but he still knows her and wants to protect her. If Ishida had been begging him to get back up, would he have stabbed Orihime? I can't help thinking no.

And it's a train wreck. Ichigo has already stabbed Ishida, god forbid the others should come up now and get skewered with them. Orihime is already deeply horrified by what her wanting Ichigo to protect her has done. This Love Will Kill Our Friends.

Aaaand I love it. ♥

Stiiiiill crossing my fingers for Orihime's revelations in his chapter to mean she's going to take real action now, including fixing Ishida (she can do it, she fixed those Arrancar girls when they were pretty damn dead) and make Ichigo snap out of it and maybe driving the plot back to the Hougyoku.

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Oh, hot, I will definitely buy that manga and check it out, at least. lmao I'm in the middle of this RP log between Dist and Jade about Nebilim replica drama, too, so that's fun timing.

Personally I still like the part where Peony just convinces Jade to quit and so like. Dist comes in to work the next day and Jade is all "I changed my mind. No one should ever make replicas again. ♥ " and then Dist goes into a holding pattern for... like fifteen years.

Re: Bleach

YES. Because I'm still not coherent enough to say more than that.

I have never taken anything in the Tales of manga or anime as canon. It's really hard to take anything about it as canon when they've blatantly steamrolled over things established in the original canon repeatedly. Game canon will always supersede anything that the manga can come up with for me.

This said, so long as it doesn't seem to branch off from what they established in the first manga series, I wouldn't mind reading it. I did like that group and always wanted to know more about what happened.

There's no question that extra flavor materials created to capitalize on popularity doesn't count if it doesn't make sense. But on the other hand, I also consider there to be a difference between "random anime written by someone nobody cares about" and "Tales of Fandom Vol 2 written by the guy who wrote the game in the first place". Tales of Fandom may be extra material, but if Jade's Story was written by the only guy who can be considered an authority on Jade, even contradicting canon once or twice (and I can't recall now if it did) is acceptable, because, hell, the source materials sometimes contradict themselves.

So there's Code Geass novelizations (written by random people), and Code Geass manga (done by random people), and Code Geass video games (with a Gary Stu who gets to romance all your female and male characters if you feel like it) and then there's one Code Geass short story written by the writer and the director -- which, as you'd expect, feels like a missing part of the canon. And so I treat it as such.

Now, I'll still ignore it if I don't like it, and I'll definitely ignore it if it contradicts canon in a way that bothers me, but I'll feel way more like I'm ignoring something I should be trying to shove until it works with canon than the Peony/Nephry sidestory that some random fangirl artist dreamed up. XD

All of this assuming it is in fact written by Miyajima, that is.

ON ANOTHER NOTE. Considering that the first manga series you refer to was done by the woman who did the Peony/Nephry manga, which totally destroyed my faith in the manga adaptation -- I would be way happier if, you know, this was a comic branching off the game and not her re-imagining of the game. But either way I'm guessing that a manga about Jade's life is probably not going to be even remotely related to the main manga anyway: different time period, different focus, etc.

Just as long as Zaraki doesn't come along while Ichigo is in Mad Superpower mode. :)

... that would bring on another slew of forty-some chapters that all end in '!!!!' and some sort of explosion.

Well, until Unohana raps them both on the back of the head and suggests mildly and sweetly that they stop.

In discussing it with a friend of mine, we both noted that Ishida made kind of a bonehead move in trying to stop Ichigo from killing Ulqiorra. I mean, he *saw* Ul-man regenerate his arm. What makes him think that anything other than death will stop him from coming back and trying to kill them again? Which is exactly what happened.

Don't get me wrong. I understand his motivations, but it's still kinda dumb from a logic point of view.

I think it was more that this was so outside of what Ichigo would ever do that he felt compelled to step in on the small chance that possibly, hopefully he could get through to him-- before it went on any longer.

Copy-pasta: I think that on the one hand, yes, it's probably completely stupid for them to leave him alive when we know Ulquiorra regenerates like crazay (although in the translation, at least, Ishida says "carving up a corpse", so possibly he just saw it as brutality, not a finishing move).

But on the other hand, yeah. We're not looking at it from a logical standpoint. He wanted to stop Ichigo from doing something savage that Ichigo himself would regret, and he was probably not expecting that Ichigo would be too far gone to acknowledge anyone but Orihime.

Right - because Ichigo is completely stupid. He doesn't kill anyone. I doubt he would have, even in his right mind, even after all Ulquiorra had done, killed him. That's just Ichigo.

I think that on the one hand, yes, it's probably completely stupid for them to leave him alive when we know Ulquiorra regenerates like crazay (although in the translation, at least, Ishida says "carving up a corpse", so possibly he just saw it as brutality, not a finishing move).

But on the other hand, yeah. We're not looking at it from a logical standpoint. He wanted to stop Ichigo from doing something savage that Ichigo himself would regret, and he was probably not expecting that Ichigo would be too far gone to acknowledge anyone but Orihime.

OH CRAP. Still catching up on Bleach, and you have given me fresh incentive to do so. *needs to stop spoiling himself already*

Ahahaha yes. XD Things Are Happening. S, sorry?

Aaaah? What's with that cringing apology!? If you have something to say, then say it!!!

Just caught up, and that? Was beautiful. Totally worth plowing back through the interminable Szayel fight, even. I hate to be shallow here, but ultimate-trauma!Orihime is also beautiful. I should not find her anguish so lovely, it's just creepy, but there it is. Also, Hollow!Ichigo is fucking AWESOME. Perhaps he can be Orihime's Grand Summon. He came back from the dead as a brutally overpowered killing machine driven purely by the instinct to protect her, and ended up stabbing their friend in the gut. It doesn't get better than that.

My Ichigo/Orihime heart is singing, seriously. ♥

Huhruhur I totally called... it.

BUT YES, oh IchiHime. I no longer read Bleach communities but talk of this proving how bad it is and how it can't happen is hilarious. So... desperate guys... But, yeah, I wonder if she'll act next chapter, or if everyone will get up there, GET SKEWERED, and then she'll act, idk.

I don't read them anymore either, people have stupid opinions and I'm sure that almost nothing Orihime does at this point will impress the stupid. I don't read like... any communities anymore because they're all full of stupid. Though on a practical note, if she does just stand there trying to put the pieces of her world together while everyone else gets ripped to shreds by Ichigo, I'm sure that even if she fixes the whole thing in a giant REJECT later, it will be disappointing for everyone, frankly. (Does it count as a deus ex machina if you only made all those things happen with the knowledge that you had this plot element waiting on the sidelines to be used?)

I can honestly see how fans of other pairings for Ichigo and Orihime would be rejoicing, because from a purely rational standpoint, if anything could shake Orihime's love of Ichigo, this sequence will -- not just for his attacking Ishida, but for her final realization that she's leaning too much on Ichigo to be her hero. I could see her deciding that she has to move on.

But lol assuming that The Power Of Their Love doesn't fix him, Kubo still spent 350 chapters building up Orihime's adoration and love of Ichigo, and has given us more and more of Ichigo's devotion to her. Is he really just going to write it out instead of bringing it to the natural conclusion? XD I GUESS WE'LL SEE.

Friends of mine who like ichihime keep looking at them and I'm like WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT. To laugh at the morons? I just. Haha I am so done with IchiRuki and IshiHime nonsense. Also stop dragging Ishida and Rukia into this shit they wouldn't ... even want it/care. I wonder. I don't think that will happen, even as I suggested the possibility, because we have already had the shock factor of Ichigo turning on a friend. Anything else would just be "gore" for the sake of gore. Orihime has already had her full of it, has already questioned her acts (as daskj STOP BLAMING YOURSELF BAW). There would be no point ... I think. Bleach ISN'T Berserk and there wouldn't be a point to the excess. (Possibly? I suppose it depends on how much you think of her power as deus ex machina period).

True enough - perhaps feeling that her leaning on him has brought about something undesired. But as you've said- there's no way he's spent all that time developing her love. PLUS HE STILL DRWS HER SO GORGEOUSLY. Ichigo and Orihime looked good this chapter... Ishida looked totally ridiculous lolool that stabbing panel was so badly rendered. SHE LOOKS TOO GOOD TO DO NOTHING.

Sometimes, I wonder if IchiRuki fans ever even read the original plan for the first chapter of Bleach. Where Ichigo actively returns Orihime's feelings, though she's died? How do you... fail to see... the original plan...

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