Things I Am Only Just Now Finding Out

[sincere]

More things I said, re: TWEWY and KH and TWEWY in my KH.

sincere:
sincere: YOU'RE A WEIRD GUY. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. STOP GETTING SHOUNEN HERO ON ME.
sincere: You will be indoctrinated into the cult of Sora, Neku. Don't bother fighting.

sincere: ...NO WONDER I see so much Roxas and Neku fanart.
sincere: They have the same Japanese voice actor. orz
sincere: Poor bastard is credited on KH3DS as Neku, Ventus, and Roxas.
sincere: ...I guess Ventus and Roxas are in KH3DS!

sincere: Clearly I now need to app another Mamoru Miyano game character so I can double up on voice actors I don't personally hear because I played the dubbed games.

sincere: I said it. And then I looked him up. And then I went, son of a bitch, Flynn is Riku.

sincere: SO I WILL PLAY ALL THE CHARACTERS WHO WILL NEVER HAVE VOICE ACTOR CONFUSION AMONGST THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF PLAYERCEST.

Comments

[sakusha]

Mamoru Miyano is Flynn?

[sincere]

correct! Unless my Google-fu has failed me

[sakusha]

Cool! He's really versatile (the audio is a little out of synch but you get the idea!).

[temples]

Mamoru Miyano is also Kida from DRRR!!. I bet you're shocked.

[sincere]

I am not shocked! Because I read that when I read about Riku.

Are Flynn and Anri going to get married?

[temples]

Of course they are. How else could this feasibly turn out?

They can have horrible little dinner parties and invite all their Flynn's friends.

[sincere]

Everyone will hate that! Hooray!

[temples]

Clearly theirs is a match made in... something. :D

[oneill]

WHAT IS THIS MADNESS.

[sincere]

What madness? Did you just find out about this just now?

WELCOME TO THE FUTURE! THE WORLD ENDS WITH YOU IS NOW IN YOUR KINGDOM HEARTS.

[oneill]

BUT I DON'T EVEN PLAY KINGDOM HEARTS.

. . . y--yet. Goddammit.

[sincere]

That's what a lot of TWEWY fans said.

I'm finishing Re:Coded, since it apparently has the premise for KH:3DS in it? But yeah, it features shiny pretty fancy 3D renders.

If nothing else, I will keep you informed about what happens and you can decide if you want to consume the whole series? KH3DS is due out at the end of July, so it's not a lot of time to power through like six Kingdom Hearts games, and you already have a busy schedule of playing things that aren't The World Ends With You.

Playing around it with has also made Nomura start considering a sequel, which I am......... wary about. Nomura's sequels have made KH increasingly nonsensical and ridiculous, and just look at the train wreck of FFXIII-2, and...

But... more TWEWY...

[oneill]

oh my god what are you doing to me oh god those renders noooo

. . . I guess this means I will have to pick up a 3DS while I'm at it.

Haha, I love how your third paragraph is like this weird combination of teasing, enabling, and sensibility.

Hm. Sounds like wary is the only appropriate response. Well, nonsensical and ridiculous can be fun in their own ways, and--as you say--more TWEWY. That said, I have not actually got around to FFXIII-2 yet either, and I've purposely avoided reading about it. Now I'm kind of curious. X D

[sincere]

I'm happy Rhyme is in it, she'd be so easy to forget :D

I disliked FFXIII-2 so much that at 80% finished I lost my will to live continue and sold the game back while it was still worth money by Gamestop's standards. The premise was bland, the old characters were maligned and the new characters sucked massively, the plot was stupid, the ending is worse, and it was all just a huge annoying setup for many future DLC releases that will "explain" and "fix" all the things that didn't make sense. I don't like that in my games. The battle system was fun, though. I started a liveplay or two on this journal a few weeks back and it quickly devolved from genuine commentary and interest into "What the fuck? This is so stupid" or "I am getting angry angry" about 70 times per night. /orzz

Of course, I didn't like FFXIII much to begin with, so it's no great loss by my standards.

For TWEWY I am torn between excitement at more things and genuine worry about them ruining it. It is a beautiful, extremely moving, self-contained story, one which I find more or less perfect just as it is. The only real question I still want answered is "Why is Joshua so pissed off about the happy ending in the secret video?" and even that I can theorize about. If they make it a new story featuring mostly new characters, maybe even in a different city's Game, that could be amazing. But if they give it the Nomura treatment and come back and say "Hi, here are the characters I know you want, the ending didn't actually work out, and here are some things that don't make sense, and we heard you like emotional impact, so have all of it until you go numb! BUY IT UNTIL YOU RUN OUT OF MONEY" then I will destroy Tokyo.

[sincere]

Disclaimer: Although if they put real!Shiki in the game I would be super happy.

[oneill]

How could they forget Rhyme?? I would not hate it if her Noise form somehow made an appearance as well.

That's pretty much what I expected from FFXIII-2. Fortunately for me, I'm able to disconnect story/characters from gameplay. I much prefer both to be good, obviously, but as long as I can have fun killing things, I'm usually okay. OTOH, obvious DLC hooks make me raeg, so . . .

I think a different city is the only way a TWEWY sequel would work for me, with a few familiar characters as the battle-scarred veterens--kind of a Gensui sort of thing. And real!Shiki, definitely.

Weirdly, the thing I'm most concerned about is the handling of the pins, clothing, and food. X D

[sincere]

Yeah, I really can't. I can enjoy the gameplay, but if the story and characters are terrible, I will choke. That's why I'm playing, for the story! So I can say, I enjoyed the fight mechanics of FFXIII-2, but I can't play it. rainfall played most of it when I started losing my motivation due to the suck, and she actually did come to dislike the battle system, saying it became very boring, but I can't speak to that. I liked it when I played it.

I can SORT of come up with ways that a direct sequel could work, but I'm not confident. But it would be amazing to see another Game setting, or a future Game setting. Could you make a compelling game out of an AU that's less silly than Another Day? I feel like part of what made TWEWY really work was that we didn't know anyone, and they could play with the fact that Neku doesn't remember anything and no one could tell for days, and play with the tragedies and reveals of each character. Going into a new game already knowing a lot about each character would make it a completely different experience right off the bat, although there are still a lot of unanswered backstory questions for every character.

I'm sad that I doubt Nomura will do anything interesting with the TWEWY cast. I have about 80% confidence that they will be mostly thrown in there haphazardly, say some things that may or may not be IC and/or copy-paste dialogue from their game, Sora will convince everyone that their hearts are connected and undermine the entire driving theme behind the game, and we'll miss all opportunity for a really interesting, unique integration into KH's setting. This is the treatment we've gotten from Disney worlds in KH games ever since the first one; the first one took the Disney characters and interpreted them for KH's setting, but the second one literally just copy-pasted a lot of plot and dialogue. But Nomura has a slightly better track record with interpreting the FF characters, so he might be more willing to experiment wit them... In TWEWY, we have a character whose closed-off heart genuinely equals the downward spiral and destruction of a world. That's chock full of KH significance! I want to see him play with it.

If Nomura does well by TWEWY-in-KH, my confidence in the sequel will go up. Otherwise, I'm not exactly holding my breath for awesome. X3

[slayerofgod]

I'd avoid youtube if I were you. Since I've searched for KH music in the past, it's recommended me a whole lot of spoilertastic 3DS videos. Like, huge spoilers about bosses in the damn titles.

[sincere]

I do! I avoid all the things. I just occasionally stumble on images in Tumblr, always without context, because people on Tumblr hate words. And then I go "LOL, THIS LOOKS AMAZING/HORRIBLE" and I make up my own context. 8D Which I'm relatively confident will be more awesome than the real thing. My faith in Nomura is not great these days. There are so many unique and personalized ways TWEWY could be integrated into the KH universe, but I will bet my bottom dollar they won't take advantage of things like "a character whose closed-off heart translates into the potential destruction of the world".

The time between a game coming out in Japan and a game coming out in America is fraught with difficulty, especially with a series like KH. When I app Neku at Marina I'm going to label his intro post with "If anyone spoils me for KH3D, I will punch you right in the throat."

And then I will keep going "AHHH I SAW A SCREENCAP WITH CAT'S MURAL IN TWILIGHT TOWN THAT IS THE COOLEST IDEA /glides right past everything"

[slayerofgod]

For me, KH has always been about the characters and gameplay. I've never been horribly impressed by the plot, although it does have its moments. So as long as those keep delivering (and they don't keep cockblocking Kairi Orihime style) I'll be cool with 3DS.

Anyway, I think the real sticking point in transplanting TWEWY into KH is the difference in dev teams. The former was done by Jupiter, the latter by the actual KH team. Even though Nomura has directive control over both, their work seems to stand in stark contrast. I always thought the original Chain of Memories felt kind of disconnected from the rest of the series.

Maybe they should get Jupiter to work on that part of the game, because otherwise it'll likely turn out like you said above, just transplanting the plot and dialogue of TWEWY into KH.