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Kay ([personal profile] sincere) wrote2008-01-23 07:15 pm
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Hinamori the prom queen

A lot of people on my friends list were rly upset earlier about the newest chapter of Bleach, because of Ishida and Mayuri's interaction in there. Me, I'm just going to keep looking at the long term. As long as KT addresses it one way or another, I'm okay with it.

Me, I'm more kind of stunned about the results of the popularity poll. Okay, Hitsugaya is at the top, surprise surprise, Rukia is second, way to go, she deserves it after the Aaroniero fight, etc.

Hinamori is sixth?

Don't get me wrong, I love Hinamori. But this boggles me some because the last time there was a popularity contest, Hinamori was in the top twenty, but not the top ten, and since then she's -- uh -- become kind of a non-entity. We know she exists and is doing and thinking things, Imitated Gaiety proved that, but she hasn't appeared for over a year in either the manga or the anime or any of the movies. Why is she at the top of the list there? There is zero reason she should've beaten Renji or Orihime.

I don't get the Japanese sometimes I guess.

[identity profile] edge-chan.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
probably was for the Bleach musical. But it makes me happy she's on the top 10.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I wish that thing didn't exist I know, it's nice to see her there. ♥ Especially after all the hate she gets from English-speaking fans. XD

[identity profile] furato.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, thought of that too. I don't really feel anything for Momo, but Kumi-chan's Momo is really adorable!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/ 2008-01-24 02:43 am (UTC)(link)

The Hitsugaya factor? I dunno. Maybe because Shiro-chan is popular and she's shipped with him that she got votes.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
That's possible -- riding Hitsugaya's coattails to glory. XD Although you'd think then Rangiku would be higher up in there as well, since she's the one I first identify with him (regardless of ship) and she's the co-star of his movie. (I'm under the impression Hinamori doesn't make an appearance again, although I could be wrong.)

[identity profile] slayerofgod.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, I think the Ishida and Mayuri thing was a dumb mistake on KT's part, but nowhere near dumb enough to warrant the reaction I've seen from some people. It's really embarassing, especially the people using it to feed their own egos. "I quit reading Bleach long ago, I feel so much smarter now than those tools still reading it!"

Feh.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
I really don't get the people who are up in arms about it. Lots of people get played for comic relief in Bleach, even during dramatic moments, and I don't think Ishida has done anything that "betrays" his very legitimate dislike of Mayuri.

I do agree that it was very dangerous ground to walk on, because it's a sensitive character issue that's being brushed aside, but man. The pitchforks and burning torches. :\

[identity profile] outbox.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 05:15 am (UTC)(link)
Wah? People are getting upset at the newest chapter? That doesn't make much sense...

I agree with you there, Hinamori is cool when she's there, but she's not, so... I feel kind of bad for Ichigo though, for not getting the number one spot hehe.

[identity profile] madfnorder.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 11:18 am (UTC)(link)
What's the issue? The whole, "Mayuri, you bastard, you killed my mentor I hates you" thing? I'd like to think Ishida is managing to be coldly rational about it considering his current state and location. I... kinda blipped past it.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I really don't think now, with all his crushed organs etc, is the time to make a valiant stand against his grandfather's killer. I think he knows he'd be dead if Mayuri hadn't showed up, and might be slightly less dead now that he has. But people seem to be upset because Ishida is being comedic in Mayuri's vicinity, which sort of trivializes the whole "murderer of the Quincy" thing.

I admit to not seeing what the fuss is, personally -- I think it's fairly typical shounen antics, and not intended to show and disrespect for Ishida.

[identity profile] green-and-warty.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha-ha, that would be me. :/ I've talked about it enough though, so I'll spare you. I just can't imagine how he'll rectify it by addressing it later.

Yeah, and I think the poll was taken before Hitsugaya's chapter. Sooo.
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not just you -- you were just the most recent of at least three or four indignant posts I've seen about it (at least two of them swearing off Bleach) and I think it's over-reacting a little. XD

It's true that KT walked right into a sensitive issue and played it for laughs, so I understand why you're upset -- but not why people are just giving up on Bleach because someone is being comedic. I get absolutely zero sense that KT is making fun of Ishida or belittling his issue with Mayuri. Attempting to be dramatic about it while Ishida is incapable of standing up, dying, would only make him more ridiculous, and the target of more mockery from Mayuri, if not outright getting stabbed in the head because Mayuri is tired of hearing him. Gritting his teeth and being mature enough to set it aside for the moment is definitely the path of valor here. I have never even for a moment thought that Ishida's opinions of Mayuri have changed.

What I mean about addressing it is that it's not cool at all, if, say, we're just going to go ahead and pretend that Ishida never had any problem with Mayuri, lalala we're all friends. But as long as it is addressed in some way -- as long as KT shows us that he's aware that Ishida has something to say here -- I honestly don't feel anything out of place here. Any day month year now (giving time for another damn year long battle) I'm expecting Ishida to turn and confide in Renji that it's hard to be saved by someone so despicable, someone he wants to kill.

So I feel like this is a case of fangirls overreacting, and then other fangirls hearing their objections and going, "Hey, she's right!" when I (perhaps a more impartial observer, being only recently a fan of Ishida's) have never gotten that impression at all. I feel like this whole thing might in fact be a case of cultural differences. XD



Anyway, that's my ramble. I realize why Ishida fans have gotten upset, I just personally kind of think this is all based on misunderstandings and it's being blown out of proportion somewhat.

[identity profile] green-and-warty.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Self-consciously, I can admit that I overreact 95% of the time to Bleach, especially when it pertains to Ishida -- O-obviously it's in my nature as an Ishida fan to overreact because lol look at him or. Something.

Mm, I understand where you're coming from, and it's more than reasonable. In hindsight from my initial wtf reactions, (and really, you should hear me talk in life, with uh friends about this kind of thing, it's embarrassing -- I'd tell you to ask [livejournal.com profile] icemilk if uh you talked to her, but, different fandoms -- I just speak thoughts as they come into my head and only sort of edit them post vocalizing them, which is ridiculous), obviously Ishida can't do anything. It would be even more out of character for a genuinely intelligent character to make a fuss or do anything but what he's been doing.

So, I suppose I have to admit in hindsight that I've been oversensitive to teh comedy, which is ... uh, embarrassing, because it's comedy. I guess it just burned because it was Mayuri, and wow, suck. And no, even with the latest chapter where I boggled at the connotations of the question in its translation, and previously when it was all crack comedy crack, I -- wasn't sure what I thought re: Ishida's question, but that little note on cultural differences does make a lot more sense.

I was really surprised when all these people started agreeing with me. o_O Mostly, the comedy fell a little flat on my end, I guess because it's weird to see Mayuri be used as a comedic figure when considering the really despicable things he's done in the past, and it may simple be that the comedy is there for that very reason, to help us ease into this idea of him being remotely heroic in the idea of this Szayel fight .. but I'm not even sure heroic is the right word, because, I don't think I could ever settle for that, nor can I imagine KT would encourage that, as I gather even from the crack that Mayuri isn't so much a hero as he is seriously weird.

idk, I admittedly over-reacted, and if I really don't read Bleach anytime soon it'll be because of TotA and SCHOOL.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_debbiechan_/ 2008-01-30 01:20 am (UTC)(link)


(Speaking of cultural differences, having read the original Japanese, I promise you that Ishida was not really concerned for Mayuri's health. Blame the translators: I'm like 95% certain he's referring to what he perceives as a stupid move on Mayuri's part -- he's like, "Uh, is that really okay, to leave your zanpakutou broken like that?" It's just a very traditional Japanese way of saying, "Isn't that... stupid?")

I don't read Japanese but that's how I read the translation. Typical shounen antics. Nothing at all, really. And I'm a huge Ishida fan. Yeah, a couple of my friends were upset. I agree with you that Ishida's been valiant here--I like his standing up to Mayuri while lying there gutless so to speak. The bickering just shows that Ishida isn't allowing himself to be totally victimized. He's being the same ole defiant Ishida I love.

[identity profile] tokyo-majin.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to admit I kind of think "what?" that the main character of the manga isn't the most popular. Maybe thats just me being all fangirly protective over Ichigo lol. I don't mind Hitsugaya, he's one of my favourite characters, but he seems a little bit...samey, if that makes sense.
But I say go Hinamori! I like her.
And over the new chapter, to be honest, Ishida couldn't have done anything. If I were him I would put that fact that he'd just saved me and I was in no position to fight over the fact he'd killed my grandfather...but is that just me? lol
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
IIRC, Ichigo has been #1 or #2 in every popularity poll thus far. Hitsugaya's popularity has surged incredibly, though. XD

And I think that's true! I was just saying, gritting his teeth and shouldering his resentment is the better part of valor when he's A) dying and B) incapable of defending himself or hurting Mayuri, so Mayuri is his only chance of survival. So it's not just you. XD

[identity profile] terrykun.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Hinamori. Boo.

Kira. Yay!!

Hitsugaya. Still don't get the insane popularity. *shrug*


Share all possible spoilers please? @_@
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[identity profile] kay-willow.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
TJ's reaction. Predictable. XD

I don't have much in the way of spoilers, honestly, except that there is much stabbing for Nnoitra and Kenpachi.

[identity profile] terrykun.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
(: Sometimes, stabbing is all you need.

[identity profile] hauntedreality.livejournal.com 2008-01-27 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Absense makes the heart grow fonder?